June 25, 2004

I think I've finally got Dave Winer figured out. It's taken me years -- quite literally years -- but the weblogs.com hubbub has spawned a new theory that I think works extraordinarily well in explaining his many, many foibles.

Dave Winer is a sociopath.

That's not a slam -- far from it. It's a diagnosis. It's an attempt to better understand the man and his motivations for doing what he does, to put his actions in a truer context. His case is mild -- he's not out killing people on weekends, as far as I know -- but it colors all his actions, largely for the ill.


Dave's a smart guy, and he's had some pretty good ideas over the years. But he's also notorious for being monumentally difficult to deal with. He's petty, he's arrogant, he's dismissive, he's hypocritical, he's abusive. A lot of people -- me included -- simply found it easier to walk away and forget that he existed.

But by coming at him from the perspective of someone who doesn't have control of his actions, of someone who is fundamentally socially damaged, it leaves me feeling -- and here's an irony for you -- sympathetic rather than angry. I wish Dave would get some therapy, because both he and the Internet-at-large would benefit from a Dave Winer that had the ability to deal with other people in some stable, on-going way.

And, yes, distance psychoanalysis is about as accurate (and pleasant) as distance proctology, but I think there's plenty of evidence to back up my theory.

Anybody who has kept up with Dave over the years can't possibly think that empathy is his strong suit. He doesn't spend much time putting himself in other people's shoes, seeing things from their perspective. You could chalk it up to self-confidence or obliviousness, but ultimately I think it goes much deeper than that. I don't think it's a choice.

The list of examples is near endless, and the final results take many forms, but it all comes back to: Dave can't see -- is incapable of seeing -- why everyone else wouldn't feel exactly like he does. You can start pretty much anywhere in his on-line history and move forward: the constant removal of other's comments and/or complaints about the removal of his, the under-defined specs, what Wired called "a cringe-inducing snippet about his aversion to postcoital cuddling," [many thousands of examples deleted], the weblogs.com shutdown, the retroactive redefinition of the shutdown to an "outage," and the insinuation that dismissing former users is the moral equivalent to standing in front of a Red Army tank. Each have their own perverse logic if you can't understand why anyone wouldn't see things exactly as you do. And your response could be anything from insolence to paranoia to aggression to a persecution complex.

Dave's unfortunate enough to be rich, and single, and the boss, so he's never really had to confront what the consequences of his disease -- or what I believe is a disease -- are, the way other people might. And I can't imagine that he's going to take a post like this in the sprit in which it is intended. But I honestly do wish that he would take a step back from the day-to-day hurly-burly and give some serious thought to this idea, to the possibility. Do some reading, see a therapist. It can only help.

And we'd all be better off.

Bill Zeller added:

Excellent analysis, although I doubt this will do anything but:

1) Piss dave off further
2) Cause dave to write a post talking about how you're bad for his health and are trying to murder him.
3) Invoke the wrath of those he hasn't pissed off yet .

Bill Brown added:

Hmm, I always thought he had a messianic complex since he gladly attracted sycophants (http://www.bbrown.info/blogs/bblog/archives/sycophants.cfm).

As you said, though, psychologizing is horribly inaccurate from a distance. I'm generally ag'in it but I think Dave Winer is actually one of the few people that you could analyze from afar.

He lives his life publicly and shoots from the hip. How many other people have seven years' worth of thinking online, fully searchable?

LOL this is superfunny. You have a big career ahead of you in comedy. Maybe you should become a doctor. I bet a lot of people could use your help! I'd like to give you $850000 million to invest for me in the stock market, I would love to share the profits with you. With your smarts and my money we would own the market and rool the world! I can't believe how lucky I am to have found this site. You are won smart cookie! Let's have sex.

Ponyboy added:

Randy: Not a second of schoolin', save a quarter of prerequisite psych as an undergrad. It's just a theory.

But if you think that Dave's problem is that he just "sets off a little easy" maybe we're talking about a different Dave. The Dave I know basically invites personal attacks, as well as dishes them out. We're talking a lot more than sets off a little easy. We're talking someone whose life is constantly embroiled in conflict for no readily apparent reason. To the point, apparently, where it's affecting his health.

I was just thinking he might want to check into why.

And, Howard: Name the time and place, baby.

D added:

http://www.caterina.net/archive/000593.html

dag added:

I made this same long-distance diagnosis (not publicly) in the last century (ok about '98) as I attempted to get support for his 'products' of the day (frontier, manila). And I know others who beat us all to the punch in the early 80's.

His tipping point is so unpredictable (as are his actions at times) that I started ignoring him (but not his ideas) years ago. It's also unfortunate that his personality type apparently forbids him from accepting any suggestion/advice/help which leaves him in a sociopathic death-spiral of sorts...

Bill Brown added:

More grist for the messiah complex mill (http://archive.scripting.com/2004/06/28#When:4:00:08PM):

"One thing I wish Apple had done differently is respect the white-on-orange icon. Such a small thing, but so important. One would think Apple, of all, would understand the value of consistent user interface."

Whoa.

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